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		By: RK		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Nov 2023 02:39:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://nathanshumate.com/movies-seen-recently-valerian-and-the-city-of-a-thousand-planets-beyond-the-time-barrier-arena/#comment-3393&quot;&gt;Nathan&lt;/a&gt;.

&lt;i&gt;Aargh The Awful&lt;/i&gt;: a new episode released every Wednesday on... Netflix? Amazon Prime? HBO Max? Hmmm...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://nathanshumate.com/movies-seen-recently-valerian-and-the-city-of-a-thousand-planets-beyond-the-time-barrier-arena/#comment-3393">Nathan</a>.</p>
<p><i>Aargh The Awful</i>: a new episode released every Wednesday on&#8230; Netflix? Amazon Prime? HBO Max? Hmmm&#8230;</p>
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		By: Nathan		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Nathan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Nov 2023 15:47:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://nathanshumate.com/movies-seen-recently-valerian-and-the-city-of-a-thousand-planets-beyond-the-time-barrier-arena/#comment-3392&quot;&gt;RK&lt;/a&gt;.

I would watch the hell out of an &lt;i&gt;America 3000&lt;/i&gt; series, provided it focused on the Bigfoot creature as the true protagonist.]]></description>
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<p>I would watch the hell out of an <i>America 3000</i> series, provided it focused on the Bigfoot creature as the true protagonist.</p>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Nov 2023 14:44:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Considering that Gul Dukat was basically the main heavy of &lt;i&gt;Deep Space Nine&lt;/i&gt; much as Rogor was the main heavy of &lt;i&gt;Arena&lt;/i&gt; and Quark was a sleazy bartender who did some moonlighting as a black marketeer much as Weezil was a sleazy barhop who did some moonlighting as an underground fixer, I kinda figure Marc Alaimo and Armin Shimerman were just happy to get a steady gig that allowed them to go on playing more or less the same characters on TV as they&#039;d been in the movie for a regular paycheck (which was probably more than they ever got paid for their parts in the movie). I&#039;m not exactly into sports movies myself, but the science fiction setting and similar dynamics between several of the principal characters did indeed make &lt;i&gt;Arena&lt;/i&gt; feel a lot like watching a double-length episode of &lt;i&gt;Deep Space Nine&lt;/i&gt; without any commercial breaks. &lt;i&gt;Arena&lt;/i&gt; is otherwise pretty forgettable as low-budget flicks go, but I&#039;ll bet Alaimo and Shimerman did occasionally say something like &quot;We&#039;ve done this kinda thing before, haven&#039;t we?&quot; while they were playing Gul Dukat and Quark.

Of course, in addition to having more of a real budget, being a seven-season TV series meant &lt;i&gt;Deep Space Nine&lt;/i&gt; had a lot more time to flesh out its characters and setting, such that even though Quark was more of a comic relief character and Gul Dukat really only became the main villain in the final season, they each had a significant number of admirers in the fandom (and unlike &lt;i&gt;Arena&lt;/i&gt;, the show actually &lt;i&gt;had&lt;/i&gt; a fandom). &lt;i&gt;Deep Space Nine&lt;/i&gt; is more than a little like a continuation of &lt;i&gt;Arena&lt;/i&gt; set in the &lt;i&gt;Star Trek&lt;/i&gt; universe. It&#039;s something like taking the Will Smith version of &lt;i&gt;I Am Legend&lt;/i&gt; and making some stories set in a world very much like that story&#039;s into a series... which is kinda what happened with &lt;i&gt;The Walking Dead&lt;/i&gt;.

Of course, if television (and now, streaming services) can make a highly watchable series based on the premises of an otherwise forgettable low-budget movie, I&#039;d be interested to see what kind of series could be made using the premises of &lt;i&gt;America 3000&lt;/i&gt; or &lt;i&gt;The Purge&lt;/i&gt; or maybe &lt;i&gt;The Book of Eli&lt;/i&gt;. (All right, so that last one was actually a pretty good movie, but then so was the director&#039;s cut of &lt;i&gt;I Am Legend&lt;/i&gt;. Either way, I&#039;d like to see the television/streaming series that could be loosely based on it.)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Considering that Gul Dukat was basically the main heavy of <i>Deep Space Nine</i> much as Rogor was the main heavy of <i>Arena</i> and Quark was a sleazy bartender who did some moonlighting as a black marketeer much as Weezil was a sleazy barhop who did some moonlighting as an underground fixer, I kinda figure Marc Alaimo and Armin Shimerman were just happy to get a steady gig that allowed them to go on playing more or less the same characters on TV as they&#8217;d been in the movie for a regular paycheck (which was probably more than they ever got paid for their parts in the movie). I&#8217;m not exactly into sports movies myself, but the science fiction setting and similar dynamics between several of the principal characters did indeed make <i>Arena</i> feel a lot like watching a double-length episode of <i>Deep Space Nine</i> without any commercial breaks. <i>Arena</i> is otherwise pretty forgettable as low-budget flicks go, but I&#8217;ll bet Alaimo and Shimerman did occasionally say something like &#8220;We&#8217;ve done this kinda thing before, haven&#8217;t we?&#8221; while they were playing Gul Dukat and Quark.</p>
<p>Of course, in addition to having more of a real budget, being a seven-season TV series meant <i>Deep Space Nine</i> had a lot more time to flesh out its characters and setting, such that even though Quark was more of a comic relief character and Gul Dukat really only became the main villain in the final season, they each had a significant number of admirers in the fandom (and unlike <i>Arena</i>, the show actually <i>had</i> a fandom). <i>Deep Space Nine</i> is more than a little like a continuation of <i>Arena</i> set in the <i>Star Trek</i> universe. It&#8217;s something like taking the Will Smith version of <i>I Am Legend</i> and making some stories set in a world very much like that story&#8217;s into a series&#8230; which is kinda what happened with <i>The Walking Dead</i>.</p>
<p>Of course, if television (and now, streaming services) can make a highly watchable series based on the premises of an otherwise forgettable low-budget movie, I&#8217;d be interested to see what kind of series could be made using the premises of <i>America 3000</i> or <i>The Purge</i> or maybe <i>The Book of Eli</i>. (All right, so that last one was actually a pretty good movie, but then so was the director&#8217;s cut of <i>I Am Legend</i>. Either way, I&#8217;d like to see the television/streaming series that could be loosely based on it.)</p>
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		By: Nathan		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Nathan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Nov 2023 04:25:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://nathanshumate.com/movies-seen-recently-valerian-and-the-city-of-a-thousand-planets-beyond-the-time-barrier-arena/#comment-3388&quot;&gt;Zsuzsa&lt;/a&gt;.

Well, the graphic novels WERE French, so...

But yeah, it was advertised as a big deal -- at least, as big a deal as something that wasn&#039;t part of a cinematic universe or based on a property known in the U.S. could be. Reportedly a budget of $177.2 million, and a U.S. box office of $41.2 million (worldwide $226 million).]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://nathanshumate.com/movies-seen-recently-valerian-and-the-city-of-a-thousand-planets-beyond-the-time-barrier-arena/#comment-3388">Zsuzsa</a>.</p>
<p>Well, the graphic novels WERE French, so&#8230;</p>
<p>But yeah, it was advertised as a big deal &#8212; at least, as big a deal as something that wasn&#8217;t part of a cinematic universe or based on a property known in the U.S. could be. Reportedly a budget of $177.2 million, and a U.S. box office of $41.2 million (worldwide $226 million).</p>
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		By: Zsuzsa		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Zsuzsa]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Nov 2023 19:07:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Was Valerian actually a major theatrical release? Because I feel like, as a sci-fi fan, who was hanging around other sci-fi fans in 2017, I ought to have at least some vague memory of it coming out. But I&#039;m drawing a complete blank here.

I was also kind of amused by the trailer&#039;s description of it as &quot;The Graphic Novel that Inspired a Generation.&quot; My reaction was, &quot;Which generation? Are we talking like third generation video game console here?&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Was Valerian actually a major theatrical release? Because I feel like, as a sci-fi fan, who was hanging around other sci-fi fans in 2017, I ought to have at least some vague memory of it coming out. But I&#8217;m drawing a complete blank here.</p>
<p>I was also kind of amused by the trailer&#8217;s description of it as &#8220;The Graphic Novel that Inspired a Generation.&#8221; My reaction was, &#8220;Which generation? Are we talking like third generation video game console here?&#8221;</p>
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