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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://nathanshumate.com/evil-and-agency/#comment-1288&quot;&gt;RK&lt;/a&gt;.

Yes, well. As I stated in my remarks, all of this hinges on a particularly Latter-day Saint doctrine (as quoted from the Doctrine &amp; Covenants above), and the idea contained therein that &quot;intelligence&quot; cannot be created or made. This entire theodicy proceeds from that premise.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://nathanshumate.com/evil-and-agency/#comment-1288">RK</a>.</p>
<p>Yes, well. As I stated in my remarks, all of this hinges on a particularly Latter-day Saint doctrine (as quoted from the Doctrine &#038; Covenants above), and the idea contained therein that &#8220;intelligence&#8221; cannot be created or made. This entire theodicy proceeds from that premise.</p>
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		By: RK		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[The premises on which the problem is founded are all sound, but I doubt one element of the proposed solution, which is the idea of any aspect of human individuals being uncreated. That our souls are eternal now that they are created I do not doubt, but unlike our eternal and uncreated Creator, our souls &lt;i&gt;are&lt;/i&gt; creations. Just as our universe has not always existed, neither have our intellects or wills.

It seems to me more accurate to assume that as our souls are created in God&#039;s image, our intellects are created &lt;i&gt;images&lt;/i&gt; of God&#039;s uncreated intellect. Nothing is evil about having an intellect (or, as I prefer to call it a &lt;i&gt;will&lt;/i&gt;) of our own, since it&#039;s an image of one of God&#039;s omnibenevolent aspects. All evil comes rather from the image&#039;s attempts to supplant its original: for an individual&#039;s created will to act contrary to God&#039;s uncreated will.

To be sure, creation &lt;i&gt;in God&#039;s image&lt;/i&gt; is indeed different from creation &lt;i&gt;ex nihilo&lt;/i&gt;. Like everything else in the physical universe, our bodies were created &lt;i&gt;ex nihilo&lt;/i&gt;: time, space, energy, and matter had no pre-existent eternal template before God ordered them into existence. Our souls, however, had their very Creator as their pre-existent eternal template: in effect, our Author created us to be authors. While I agree that our eternal souls&#039; eternal intellect (i.e. free will) is what makes evil possible even in the presence of an omnipotent and omnibenevolent God, therefore, I must disagree that this aspect is in any way &lt;i&gt;uncreated&lt;/i&gt; simply because it is eternal.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The premises on which the problem is founded are all sound, but I doubt one element of the proposed solution, which is the idea of any aspect of human individuals being uncreated. That our souls are eternal now that they are created I do not doubt, but unlike our eternal and uncreated Creator, our souls <i>are</i> creations. Just as our universe has not always existed, neither have our intellects or wills.</p>
<p>It seems to me more accurate to assume that as our souls are created in God&#8217;s image, our intellects are created <i>images</i> of God&#8217;s uncreated intellect. Nothing is evil about having an intellect (or, as I prefer to call it a <i>will</i>) of our own, since it&#8217;s an image of one of God&#8217;s omnibenevolent aspects. All evil comes rather from the image&#8217;s attempts to supplant its original: for an individual&#8217;s created will to act contrary to God&#8217;s uncreated will.</p>
<p>To be sure, creation <i>in God&#8217;s image</i> is indeed different from creation <i>ex nihilo</i>. Like everything else in the physical universe, our bodies were created <i>ex nihilo</i>: time, space, energy, and matter had no pre-existent eternal template before God ordered them into existence. Our souls, however, had their very Creator as their pre-existent eternal template: in effect, our Author created us to be authors. While I agree that our eternal souls&#8217; eternal intellect (i.e. free will) is what makes evil possible even in the presence of an omnipotent and omnibenevolent God, therefore, I must disagree that this aspect is in any way <i>uncreated</i> simply because it is eternal.</p>
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